[外絮] 名嘴: MJ讓NBA全球化 LBJ讓NBA變得Mobile

作者: usnavyseal (usmarine2008)   2026-03-25 21:55:37
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https://youtu.be/QxBQ8OEDBtU?&t=1100 18:20開始
知名體育媒體人Colin Cowherd 跟Jason Timpf討論MJ vs LBJ
Colin: an interesting comment this week, and it wasn't a shot at LeBron, but
obviously you think of LeBron when KD said, "Michael Jordan's bigger than
basketball." And and I I've always said, "Magic and Bird saved the NBA.
Michael made it global. LeBron made it mobile.
And it was thinking about that and I want your thoughts on this. First of
all, your thoughts because I have one. Your thoughts on KD saying like like
Michael Jordan's above basketball. They'll always be great players. They'll
never be Michael. Your thoughts?
這禮拜有個很有趣的評論,這並不是在針對LBJ,但當 KD說「MJ的地位高於籃球本身」時
,你很難不想到 LeBron。
我常說 Magic Bird救了 NBA,Michael讓它走向全球,而 LeBron讓它進入了行動化時代
我想聽聽你的看法。KD 說 Michael Jordan 是凌駕於籃球之上的,未來永遠會有偉大的
球員,但永遠不會再有下一個 Michael。你怎麼看?
Jason: Yeah. I mean, like you talked about the the saving of the NBA with
Magic and Bird. like they brought it back from the brink, but MJ was what
made the sport as culturally resonant at as it is now.
對我覺得就像你剛剛講的,Magic&Bird 把 NBA 從懸崖邊拉了回來,讓聯盟起死回生
但 MJ 才是真正讓這項運動在文化層面產生如今這麼大共鳴的人。
Colin: He made it cool 他讓籃球變得很酷。
Jason: Yeah And like I know that you know, you hear a lot of like LeBron verse
MJ stuff in the media. You hear a lot of LeBron vers MJ stuff from fans, but
talk tobasketball players. You're not going to find a basketball player that
doesn't revere Michael Jordan. Like there's it's just such an important part
of your basketball development. Watching his footage. Like I was a LeBron
fan. I grew up a LeBron fan. LeBron's the reason I fell in love with
basketball. You don't have any idea how many times I went and watched Michael
Jordan's top 100 plays on YouTube. Like it just the way that that like shaped
my entire love for the game of basketball. It's just there's a there there's
a certain there's a certain aura and a history that surrounds him that is
insurmountable for even a guy likes LeBron. And I think there I think we've
seen that with LeBron almost manifest in in I I don't want to call it
insecurity cuz it just it manifests in like a reaction from him where like
he'll often like promote himself as if as in some sort of effort to try to
reach that level. But the reality is there's a certain amount of like he was
the first guy like that and there will never be another first guy like that.
是的。我知道在媒體上或球迷之間,常會聽到很多 LeBron 還是 MJ 誰更強的爭論。但你
去問籃球員,你找不到任何一個不崇拜 Michael Jordan 的球員。那是籃球成長過程中極
其重要的一部分,就是看他的比賽錄影。
我本身就是 LeBron 的球迷,我是看著 LeBron 長大並因此愛上籃球的。但你無法想像我
曾在 YouTube 上看了多少次 Michael Jordan 的百大進球。那種感覺形塑了我對籃球這
項運動的熱愛。他身上有一種特殊的光環和歷史感,那是連LeBron這樣的人都難以逾越的
我覺得我們在 LeBron 身上看到了一種,我不想稱之為「自卑感」,但那體現在他的一種
反應中:他常會自我推銷,彷彿在努力試圖達到那個高度。但現實是,MJ 是開創先河的
第一人,而這種「第一人」的位置永遠不會再有第二個了。
Colin: Also there was no social media. Part of what makes Michael fascinating
was that we didn’t know about his private life There weren’t the platforms,
so you needed his basketball, and his fashion That was your gateway to knowing
Michael. You didn't know about his marriage, you didn't know about his private
life. We get so much of LeBron now. Like I know so much, like I know where he
lives. And so, it it doesn't feel special. It's like Jack Nicholson always had
a theory. Don't go make people go to the theater to watch your work. Don't go
on Johnny Carson. Don't go on Letterman. Make them go to the theater. I don't
know if Michael thought about that, but you had to either buy Michael shoes or
go to his game.
That's how you heard saw Michael's greatness. LeBron's everywhere.And so, I do
think there's a mystery that that there's nothing LeBron could have done
about that. It's just there's a mystery about Michael and a uniqueness where
I can watch the Laker game, go to YouTube, watch the highlights, go to TikTok,
watch the extra highlights. Like when Michael, if think about it, I mean, when
Michael first came into the league, you couldn't watch their games. You didn't
get I mean, if he played certain nights, Michael scores 48. Unless Sports
Center gave me like three baskets, I couldn't even watch the highlights until
the playoffs. So, I don't think you can, you know, I just think Michael had in
a strange way a privacy advantage that made every time you saw him play special.
That's not LeBron's fault.
而且當時沒有社群媒體。Michael Jordan 吸引人的一部分原因在於我們對他的私生活一
無所知。當時沒有那些平台,所以你只能透過他的球技和時尚來了解他,那是你接觸
Michael 的唯一管道。你不知道他的婚姻狀況,不了解他的私生活。
現在我們對 LeBron 了解太多了。我知道太多細節,連他住哪裡都知道。所以那種「特別
感」消失了。這就像 Jack Nicholson 有個理論:別讓大家輕易見到你,要讓他們為了看
你的作品進戲院。別去上 Johnny Carson 或 Letterman 的脫口秀,讓他們進戲院看你。
我不確定 Michael 是否刻意這樣想,但當年你要麼買 Michael 的鞋,要麼去看他的比賽
,那是你見證 Michael 偉大之處的唯二方式。而 LeBron 無處不在。所以我認為
Michael 身上有一種神祕感和獨特性,這是 LeBron 無法改變的現狀。
現在我可以看湖人的比賽,然後去 YouTube 看精華,再去Tik Tok看更多片段。回想一下
當Michael 剛進聯盟時,你甚至沒辦法看到每一場比賽。如果 Michael 某晚拿了48分
除非 SportsCenter 剪了三顆進球給我看,否則我直到季後賽前甚至連精華都看不到。
所以我覺得 Michael 在某種程度上有種「隱私優勢」,讓每次看他打球都顯得格外珍貴
這不是 LeBron 的錯。
Jason: I'd even extend that to what's happening on the court in the sense
that like can you imagine if Michael Jordan's two Washington Wizards years
took place during Twitter and every time he took a defensive possession off
every time he got back cut every time he didn't box out every like like
that's the crazy part is LeBron has had his entire like age 38 39 40 41
seasons be micro-analyzed on a possession possession basis through clips on
Twitter and it's Like reality is is we're seeing something completely
unprecedented for a guy his age, but because it's being micro-analyzed in
many ways, it's like, oh, here are all the ways that LeBron's dropping the
ball. Here are all the ways that LeBron is not coming through for his team.
And I almost feel bad for him in that sense because I just can I can only
imagine if I micro-analyzed every possession of Michael's Wizards tenure, how
ugly it would have been at times.
我甚至可以把這點延伸到球場上的表現。你能想像如果 MJ在巫師的那兩年發生在 Twitter
時代嗎?如果他每次防守偷懶、每次被後門空切、每次沒卡位都被放大檢視……
最瘋狂的地方在於,LeBron 在 38、39、40、41 歲球季的每一波球權,都被人在
Twitter 上用影片逐一微觀分析。現實是,我們正在見證一個球員在這種年紀展現出史無
前例的表現,但因為被過度分析,大家反而會說:「喔,你看 LeBron 這裡掉球了,那裡
沒能挺身而出。」在這一點上我挺替他感到難過的,因為我完全可以想像,如果當年我們
也這樣微觀分析 Michael 在 Wizards 時期的每一波球權,有些畫面肯定也會很難看。
備註
學到了一個金句
Magic and Bird saved the NBA. Michael made it global. LeBron made it mobile.
Mobile是在偷嘴LBJ到處轉隊XD
作者: fantasyhorse (水多多)   2026-03-25 22:00:00
問題就是MJ那兩年防守沒偷懶啊那兩年MJ有沒有上,巫師防守完全是兩個等級
作者: PaulPierce34 (Braveheart)   2026-03-25 22:46:00
別說MJ了 就算同期球員有像樂邦的偷懶高光嗎MJ有打的場次勝率更高吧 哪來持球太多卻輸球持球多傷害球隊 樂邦才是讓人印象深刻 尬運傳炸彈老MJ在明星賽單打Kobe 樂邦食二鍋之外 例行賽面對Kobe都一直傳走被噴到後面忍不住要教訓Kobe 結果下場是吃鍋但Kwame Brown對MJ Kobe評價都高於樂邦很多打球不怎樣 但是看他評論樂邦 說話很有邏輯看他說話這麼有腦 反而很難相信他打球怎麼很差XDR.Hamilton去當樂邦隊友更慘吧Kwame Brown形容MJ Kobe練習時強度就拉滿很好笑練習就1打2 後仰歪來歪去投籃小蟲說MJ沒什麼給他壓力
作者: yukimura0420 (涉)   2026-03-25 23:14:00
姆咪也是拿姆斯幾個好球精華就吹上天 還好意思說啊
作者: PaulPierce34 (Braveheart)   2026-03-25 23:16:00
MJ對自己要求最高 應該是那些跟不上的球員才有壓力都已經打到NBA了 要怎麼沒壓力的打樂邦那種自己防守放空 卻狂噴隊友防守 才叫給壓力快攻時也追在隊友後面給壓力跟MJ的壓力能拿冠 樂邦給的壓力是要吸數據還要警告隊友別搶他的籃板反觀MJ會讓小蟲拿籃板 幫他保持籃板王頭銜扯時代不同 但同時代也只有樂邦有偷懶高光別說R.Hamilton 當時聯盟也不到5人能跟MJ搶第一進攻點 有啥好不爽 憑R.Hamilton的本事要怎麼排在MJ前面R.Hamilton沒有多強的單打硬解能力 要依賴戰術投空位 怎麼跟單打王MJ搶第一進攻論造神 有到處問MJ對你的影響 MJ退休哭不哭嗎戴球皮皇冠 大概想表達臉皮和球皮一樣厚偷跑快攻扣空籃 就能造神成GOAT 古代可沒這樣造神
作者: zzz753951753 (Ali)   2026-03-26 08:57:00
生涯拿4冠,2冠關鍵球都不是他,1冠偷AD,山羊????
作者: PaulPierce34 (Braveheart)   2026-03-26 10:47:00
都說歡迎姆咪去檢視巫師MJ有沒有防守偷懶歡迎姆咪反駁呀 卻什麼證據都拿不出來 就說別人在洗找不到MJ偷懶 卻把可愛77KD抓進來戰 關我什麼事防守不偷懶只是基本 好好防守還需要神化才去守嗎湖人現在是靠樂邦帶隊嗎 你要他去帶爛隊看看打輸下跪 走旁門左道才叫體育精神嗎體育精神本來就沒跟勝負和數據綁定 姆咪的神邏輯支持一個防守偷懶的 還大談體育精神MJ偷懶的證據找不到 姆咪就重新定義體育精神所以你的體育精神是 不防守專刷數據?說人救援 那你就找出巫師MJ的偷懶證據呀樂邦只有數據好吧 打得好是隊友4守5打的好你打過籃球嗎 會說不防守那個打得好?你才叫護航吧 你要這樣判斷叫體育精神 你高興就好怎麼又拉太陽進來戰 我是沒看過太陽不防守的高光但是唯獨樂邦有不防守的高光自己重新定義體育精神 要別人認同 那你高興就好你找不到MJ偷懶 瞎說別人救援 才是黑MJ吧體育精神又不是獎項或數據 是體育文化下的觀念好嗎例如防守偷懶 就可以看做是缺乏體育精神依你說詞 樂邦帶隊沒進季後賽 也沒體育精神吧戰績差的球隊 都是沒體育精神的球隊?有這樣講的嗎那你是從哪篇文章用勝負看體育精神 分享一下和勝負綁定是你的個人觀點 我在其他地方沒看過而且MJ上場時勝率提高 反觀樂邦提高勝率叫刷子?刷新我的三觀

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